Yeah. This is good. I'd sort of forgotten about Jean-Luc's sensible machismo, a formidable foe for Vader indeed. (And Number One has always been a playa, what with his man-beard and all).
What!? The power of the force is great and all, but come on. No one can seriously think that Star Wars could beat Star Trek. Oh yes, I'm going there. The bulk of the Star Wars universe's ships are strike craft whereas the overwhelming majority in the Star Trek universe are capital ships. Plus, Star Trek could amass fleets consisting of tens of thousands of these capital ships compared to what? Some hundreds of Star Destroyers and a few Mon Calamari cruisers? Come on! It just wouldn't work. I feel so enraged that I want to mess up my hair and run through the streets screaming at the top of my lungs and then attack the cops that try to put me down. RAARRRRRGGHHH!!!!!
Okay, just kidding about being so enraged. But seriously, Star Trek would win.
Seriously...I don't even know where to start, but a good place might be the immeasurable pussiness of Star Fleet. Kirk and Picard et al. would waste so much time pontificating about theoretical absurdities [*ahem*] that by the time Worf got the photon torpedoes warmed up, IG-88 would have made the entire crew into Ughnaught food. To experience further debunking, just go HERE.
What a stupid website. I looked it over and thought it was interesting until they said that the typical turbo laser in the Star Wars universe is thousands of times more powerful than a solar flare. What? Come on Ryan, you're not stupid enough to think that are you? So this incredibly massive explosion of energy and heat is at best .001% as strong as a confined beam shot from a typical Star Destroyer's cannon, of which it has many of them to shoot with? Unless a Star Destroyer is powered by several, not just one, generators that are capable of dispensing energy equal to what a star (a star at least a thousand times as powerful as ours mind you) expels on a whim when the magnetic field shifts, then it wouldn't even be remotely possible for the turbo lasers to be that strong. So yeah, stupid website. It's one thing to argue the validity of one nerd thing being awesome compared to another, it's a completely different thing to try and equate actual science into something that as of yet is entirely fictional. Add into this that most Star Wars fans these days think George Lucas is a hack and he's the one that came up with or approved of most of this stuff.
not really taking a side here, but fyi a solar flare is about 3 times hotter than the core of the sun. They are randomly generated just like tornados are in wind, except they are formed in the currents of plasma and electromagnetic flow (plasma is very electromagnetic). So churn that in your brain fags.
Neal, you've still overlooked the fact that everyone in Star Trek is, when it comes right down to it, a big whiny pussy. Star Wars has one pussy: C-3P0, and when he whines, Leia just turns him off. Star Trek, however, has legions: Lt. Sulu, David Marcus (Kirk's extra pussified son), Wesley Crusher, Odo, Geordi LaForge, Q (stands for "queer"), that pussy clone/evil twin dildo-headed Picard dude from "Nemesis"...give me a break. You won't find that many pussies at a cat show.
And just because you choose to underestimate the awesome firepower of a Star Destroyer, doesn't make the firepower any less awesome. Regardless, it's not like Star Fleet has the ability to launch a solar flare any time it wants in the midst of a battle. If they conveniently happen to be in battle near enough to a sun (wanna talk impracticability? How about the cozy proximity Star Trek ships are always able to get with freaking SUNS?!) and set events in motion that happen to trigger a flare that just happens to intersect with the Star Destroyer (which you would think was easy to do, given how many times Star Trek has employed this silly tactic), then yeah, the Star Destroyer might have a problem (this assumes its turbo lasers are down, or that an A-Wing has crashed into the bridge or something, crippling it so it can just float there waiting for the nerds from engineering to get that whole Solar Flare trick up and running again).
But by the time LaForge and Scotty are done circle jerking each other with the physics, you know what's coming around the corner?
That's right, Neal. The muhfuggin' Death Star. Those turbo lasers (which routinely obliterate everything from asteroids to Mon Calamari cruisers) are all over the surface that bad boy. Not to mention the super laser on the Death Star that obliterates whole planets in seconds. Sure it moves a little slow, and has a certain exhaust port vulnerability (that can only be exploited via the Force, which nobody in Star Trek has), it would pwn Star Trek.
And what about the ground war? Wookiees routinely tear arms of people, Klingons just snarl. And who's the baddest Klingon of them all? Christopher "Doc Brown" Lloyd (Commander Kruge in STIII). Weak. Chewie would tear Kruge's arms off and then beat him over the head with them.
Plus lightsabers are the coolest weapon ever, and Star Wars has 'em; Star Trek doesn't.
Seriously, the list goes on and on.
So ad hom Lucas all you want; but rest assured, Gene Roddenberry is in the Seventh Circle of hell putting up with all manner of torture. You know why? Because he's a big fat pussy just like everyone in Star Trek.
So yeah, Star Trek would get its ass handed to it by Star Wars in every scenario. Search your feelings, Neal. You know it to be true.
Holy cow Ryan, now you're just being silly. "Choosing" to not believe a man made contraption is thousands of times more powerful than a solar flare is amazingly realistic and amazingly more delusional for someone that "chooses" to believe it. It's so fantastic it's ridiculous and the fact that you are so defending that concept astounds me beyond belief. Never mind the sheer power of such a laser cannon, never mind the power generators necessary for each one of those cannons, never mind that tiny strike craft like X-Wings are able to deflect such blasts with their shields (deflection shields would still require impact on the shield itself and we won't get into the mechanics of powering that shield because it's even more absurd for it to be this powerful), the Star Wars universe seems to have an overabundance of power and they have managed to package it into the smallest of ships. What I'm saying is that this argument which your beloved Star Wars vs Star Trek website holds is enough to disregard the entire concept of comparing the power levels of what they say their weapons/defenses in their respective universes are.
If we were to just consider that each universe has comparable weapons and defensive capabilities for each class of ship then, no, Star Wars wouldn't win in every scenario. A blanket statement like that couldn't work. You'd have to actually identify the components of each battle. Would a lone X-Wing be able to take down the entire Borg Collective? How about that scenario Ryan?
Also, just because you don't like the characters themselves in the Star Trek universe doesn't mean they'd sit there with their hands down their pants while being attacked by the Star Wars universe. How they act when they are off duty is no indication of how they would react to a fight. How about Sikso? You can't consider him to be a pussy for taking his ship into a wormhole to fight single handed against a couple thousand Jem'Hadar ships.
Ryan, it worries me that perhaps you are not just trying to be oppositional and argue a nerd affair, but that you really are this blind to close your eyes and say "Nope! Turbo lasers!" Then raise your fists in the air in a triumphant "O'Doyle rules" fashion. The key difference here between our views is that I'm not voting based simply on what universe I like more. It's a much more rational approach to this irrational subject. What is the biggest battle that has been shown in Star Wars? I think it's the battle over Coruscant at the beginning of Episode III. How many capital ships are there? A couple hundred or so, counting both sides? Let's say 500 were there and that seems to be a gross over exaggeration, but it was a fairly crucial battle so we'll go with that. The biggest battle I know of showed in Star Trek takes place between a fleets that totaled well over 2,000. And that amassing of ships was on short notice where all sides involved had to leave before their full force was gathered. So in this comparison where the Star Wars fleet is outnumbered 4 to 1 against a fleet that would have been even considerably bigger had they waited another day to leave, then again I have to say, no, Star Wars wouldn't win in this scenario either.
You're challenging the paradigms of the argument, which you cannot do. You can't change the rules of the Star Wars universe, where they have in fact harnessed extreme power into tubo laser cannons, to comport with the rules of the Star Trek universe, where such lasers might be unrealistic. That's why Star Wars always wins...it's fantasy, and anything can happen. Can an X-Wing take down the Borg? Hells yeah, if it's piloted by a young farm boy learning the ways of the Force!
Add to that the swashbucklers vs. pussies issue which you continue to ignore, and it's an end game checkmate for Star Wars.
I didn't ignore it, I said that your view of the characters doesn't mean that they'd just sit there in a fight. Star Wars characters are more dashing in their roles, but that's because the future of Star Trek is more controlled and composed. Humanity has become a much more enlightened race than we are used to. If trying peaceful and diplomatic alternatives instead of running into a fight is a "pussy" move then hey, I guess I'm one too. By that definition it would also make you one, Ryan, since I haven't heard of you being disbarred or anything for getting into fist fights in the courtroom. When it came down to a land fight then it would get interesting. Sure, wookies are all big and strong, but it would only take a phaser to stop one dead in its tracks. It would be fun for wookies and klingons to fight hand to hand, but even if it took ab average of a couple hundred klingons to take down a single wookie the klingons would still win. Wookies inhabit a single planet whereas klingons possess an entire region of space where their population has soared.
You can't just step back and say Star Wars is fantasy so it can't be compared to Star Trek. Is Star Trek reality Ryan? Is that why they can't be compared?
The force is great. But if we're talking about the actual content of filmed Star Wars and not the extended universe (something I'm pretty sure you disregard) then how many people are even able to use the force? 4? 5? Oh wait, by the end of Jedi 2 of them die. So are we at 2 living people that can use the force? Luke and Leia. And you can't even begin to consider Leia as being competent to do anything with that force.
I think that the federation would team up with the new republic and that would be the end of that shit. I could also see Han and Riker having some beers, and Cptn Picard and Mon Mothma hooking up.
I'm not saying that Star Wars' fantastic elements can't be compared to Star Trek's science fiction, I'm saying that due to the boundless possibilities of Star Wars' fantasy universe (e.g., unfathomably powerful turbo lasers), Star Wars always wins.
A race of Klingons invading Kashyyyk? Okay, I'll see you that and raise you an infinite army of Kaminoan Clones. The Borg come and assimilate the Clones? Fine. The Death Star zaps whatever celestial body (cube or otherwise), that the Borgified Clones inhabit with the super laser.
And that's just the movie stuff. Open the door to Star Wars Expanded Universe, and it's filled with so much off the wall crap that Star Trek doesn't have a prayer. Sisko pulls a phaser? Kyp Duron pulls a vibro-phaser while Darth Revan uses the Force to restart existence without any damn Borg.
Star Trek always fails because it is constrained by the self-imposed limits of its fictional universe (indeed, one could argue that the anti-normative character Q himself consistently highlights these limitations). In Star Wars, where an annoying brat like Anakin can evolve into the most fearsome character in the galaxy, anything's possible.
So when you get right down to it, it's not about the tech, it's not about the weapons, it's not about the characters, it's not about the metaphysical powers. It's about the boundaries. Star Trek has 'em; Star Wars don't. So Star Wars wins.
Oh Ryan, that makes no sense. Boundless possibilities? How can you be possibly base an argument on the lack of boundaries in regards to what could happen? Each of the examples you listed is not limited to your view of the fantastic elements of Star Wars. Each of them has been explored, and explained, in a science fiction alternate.
What I am taking from your new angle is that you think just because Star Wars doesn’t bother identifying why something works the way it could that it wins. In other words, due to lack of reasoning contained within the Star Wars universe, you are reasoning that it is better.
Just because science fiction is typically associated with an explanation of a particular technology doesn’t mean it can’t come up with any technology. The creator can just devise any explanation they want to. So if we apply your argument to a broad range of science fiction (Star Trek included) your boundless possibilities have just been pushed into the background.
As an example let’s look at the single greatest object or concept I have come across in fantasy or science fiction that is the least likely thing to ever happen. I would believe the Force was real before believing this: a Dyson’s Sphere. For those that are not aware of this, let’s review. A Dyson’s Sphere is a construct around a star that is the size of Earth’s orbit. Not the size of Earth, not the size of the sun, but the size of Earth’s orbit around the sun.
Let that sink in a bit. Do you have any idea how large that is? Take into account also that this is not a ring or something, it’s a sphere. Completely encompassing the sun. The amount of resources required to construct such a thing is absolutely mind-boggling, let alone maintaining it. Here we have the most fantastical and least likely thing to obtain, in science fiction, explained as far as it needs to be. Does that fact make it more possible and therefore with less potential than a clone army or any other thing you can think of from Star Wars?
These boundaries you associate with Star Trek don’t exist in the way you’re applying. And even if they did, they apply to Star Wars as well. The Force was explained just as it would have been in any other universe. The only real difference in regards to theses two universes is that in Star Trek they try to make it rational. Star Wars doesn’t. Rationality is not a boundary. It’s a courtesy to the people watching it. They can still make up anything they want to.
And based on what we've been discussing here all this time all you need is that basic phrase. Yoda keeps it in his pocket and the fantastic nature of that alone fills your mind with content. However, I would prefer it if you at least followed that up by saying something like "He found a mysterious device from a long lost civilization and used it to alter the Dyson Sphere's physical properties and decreased the size of the Sphere without diminishing its ability to withstand the shock of being moved so much."
Are you saying we're different from one another because I'm so right about Star Wars and you're so wrong about Star Trek? Or are you saying that the two of us are different compared to regular people who really don't give that much of a shit about Star Wars and Star Trek, which would mean that, in that way, we're actually similar to one another?
Yeah. I know. That's what's so odd about us Ryan. We're very similar in the way we like to argue the menial and mundane, but we just sit on opposite sides of the same nerd spectrum.
I wonder what it would be like if we argued something that really mattered. (Not that nerd things don't matter. I mean, the philosophy and moral implications of Batman and Superman's can teach us a lot about the nature of humanity and our inner desires and perspectives on ourselves (seriously, I really think that.))
And I don't make little models of the Enterprise. They're all cheap plastic. If only I had the Legos necessary to construct a model of my own... and the structural reasoning and imagination to put it together....
You bet it happened. I think this post needs to be engraved in a bronze statue dubbed "The Eternal Struggle" and depicting Zeus fighting a kitten of immeasurable cuteness.
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Yeah. This is good. I'd sort of forgotten about Jean-Luc's sensible machismo, a formidable foe for Vader indeed.
(And Number One has always been a playa, what with his man-beard and all).
I found myself feeling strangely uncomfortable watching this.
What!? The power of the force is great and all, but come on. No one can seriously think that Star Wars could beat Star Trek. Oh yes, I'm going there. The bulk of the Star Wars universe's ships are strike craft whereas the overwhelming majority in the Star Trek universe are capital ships. Plus, Star Trek could amass fleets consisting of tens of thousands of these capital ships compared to what? Some hundreds of Star Destroyers and a few Mon Calamari cruisers? Come on! It just wouldn't work. I feel so enraged that I want to mess up my hair and run through the streets screaming at the top of my lungs and then attack the cops that try to put me down. RAARRRRRGGHHH!!!!!
Okay, just kidding about being so enraged. But seriously, Star Trek would win.
Neal...you're so freaking wrong.
Seriously...I don't even know where to start, but a good place might be the immeasurable pussiness of Star Fleet. Kirk and Picard et al. would waste so much time pontificating about theoretical absurdities [*ahem*] that by the time Worf got the photon torpedoes warmed up, IG-88 would have made the entire crew into Ughnaught food. To experience further debunking, just go HERE.
What a stupid website. I looked it over and thought it was interesting until they said that the typical turbo laser in the Star Wars universe is thousands of times more powerful than a solar flare. What? Come on Ryan, you're not stupid enough to think that are you? So this incredibly massive explosion of energy and heat is at best .001% as strong as a confined beam shot from a typical Star Destroyer's cannon, of which it has many of them to shoot with? Unless a Star Destroyer is powered by several, not just one, generators that are capable of dispensing energy equal to what a star (a star at least a thousand times as powerful as ours mind you) expels on a whim when the magnetic field shifts, then it wouldn't even be remotely possible for the turbo lasers to be that strong. So yeah, stupid website. It's one thing to argue the validity of one nerd thing being awesome compared to another, it's a completely different thing to try and equate actual science into something that as of yet is entirely fictional. Add into this that most Star Wars fans these days think George Lucas is a hack and he's the one that came up with or approved of most of this stuff.
not really taking a side here, but fyi a solar flare is about 3 times hotter than the core of the sun. They are randomly generated just like tornados are in wind, except they are formed in the currents of plasma and electromagnetic flow (plasma is very electromagnetic).
So churn that in your brain fags.
Neal, you've still overlooked the fact that everyone in Star Trek is, when it comes right down to it, a big whiny pussy. Star Wars has one pussy: C-3P0, and when he whines, Leia just turns him off. Star Trek, however, has legions: Lt. Sulu, David Marcus (Kirk's extra pussified son), Wesley Crusher, Odo, Geordi LaForge, Q (stands for "queer"), that pussy clone/evil twin dildo-headed Picard dude from "Nemesis"...give me a break. You won't find that many pussies at a cat show.
And just because you choose to underestimate the awesome firepower of a Star Destroyer, doesn't make the firepower any less awesome. Regardless, it's not like Star Fleet has the ability to launch a solar flare any time it wants in the midst of a battle. If they conveniently happen to be in battle near enough to a sun (wanna talk impracticability? How about the cozy proximity Star Trek ships are always able to get with freaking SUNS?!) and set events in motion that happen to trigger a flare that just happens to intersect with the Star Destroyer (which you would think was easy to do, given how many times Star Trek has employed this silly tactic), then yeah, the Star Destroyer might have a problem (this assumes its turbo lasers are down, or that an A-Wing has crashed into the bridge or something, crippling it so it can just float there waiting for the nerds from engineering to get that whole Solar Flare trick up and running again).
But by the time LaForge and Scotty are done circle jerking each other with the physics, you know what's coming around the corner?
That's right, Neal. The muhfuggin' Death Star. Those turbo lasers (which routinely obliterate everything from asteroids to Mon Calamari cruisers) are all over the surface that bad boy. Not to mention the super laser on the Death Star that obliterates whole planets in seconds. Sure it moves a little slow, and has a certain exhaust port vulnerability (that can only be exploited via the Force, which nobody in Star Trek has), it would pwn Star Trek.
And what about the ground war? Wookiees routinely tear arms of people, Klingons just snarl. And who's the baddest Klingon of them all? Christopher "Doc Brown" Lloyd (Commander Kruge in STIII). Weak. Chewie would tear Kruge's arms off and then beat him over the head with them.
Plus lightsabers are the coolest weapon ever, and Star Wars has 'em; Star Trek doesn't.
Seriously, the list goes on and on.
So ad hom Lucas all you want; but rest assured, Gene Roddenberry is in the Seventh Circle of hell putting up with all manner of torture. You know why? Because he's a big fat pussy just like everyone in Star Trek.
So yeah, Star Trek would get its ass handed to it by Star Wars in every scenario. Search your feelings, Neal. You know it to be true.
Holy cow Ryan, now you're just being silly. "Choosing" to not believe a man made contraption is thousands of times more powerful than a solar flare is amazingly realistic and amazingly more delusional for someone that "chooses" to believe it. It's so fantastic it's ridiculous and the fact that you are so defending that concept astounds me beyond belief. Never mind the sheer power of such a laser cannon, never mind the power generators necessary for each one of those cannons, never mind that tiny strike craft like X-Wings are able to deflect such blasts with their shields (deflection shields would still require impact on the shield itself and we won't get into the mechanics of powering that shield because it's even more absurd for it to be this powerful), the Star Wars universe seems to have an overabundance of power and they have managed to package it into the smallest of ships. What I'm saying is that this argument which your beloved Star Wars vs Star Trek website holds is enough to disregard the entire concept of comparing the power levels of what they say their weapons/defenses in their respective universes are.
If we were to just consider that each universe has comparable weapons and defensive capabilities for each class of ship then, no, Star Wars wouldn't win in every scenario. A blanket statement like that couldn't work. You'd have to actually identify the components of each battle. Would a lone X-Wing be able to take down the entire Borg Collective? How about that scenario Ryan?
Also, just because you don't like the characters themselves in the Star Trek universe doesn't mean they'd sit there with their hands down their pants while being attacked by the Star Wars universe. How they act when they are off duty is no indication of how they would react to a fight. How about Sikso? You can't consider him to be a pussy for taking his ship into a wormhole to fight single handed against a couple thousand Jem'Hadar ships.
Ryan, it worries me that perhaps you are not just trying to be oppositional and argue a nerd affair, but that you really are this blind to close your eyes and say "Nope! Turbo lasers!" Then raise your fists in the air in a triumphant "O'Doyle rules" fashion. The key difference here between our views is that I'm not voting based simply on what universe I like more. It's a much more rational approach to this irrational subject. What is the biggest battle that has been shown in Star Wars? I think it's the battle over Coruscant at the beginning of Episode III. How many capital ships are there? A couple hundred or so, counting both sides? Let's say 500 were there and that seems to be a gross over exaggeration, but it was a fairly crucial battle so we'll go with that. The biggest battle I know of showed in Star Trek takes place between a fleets that totaled well over 2,000. And that amassing of ships was on short notice where all sides involved had to leave before their full force was gathered. So in this comparison where the Star Wars fleet is outnumbered 4 to 1 against a fleet that would have been even considerably bigger had they waited another day to leave, then again I have to say, no, Star Wars wouldn't win in this scenario either.
You're challenging the paradigms of the argument, which you cannot do. You can't change the rules of the Star Wars universe, where they have in fact harnessed extreme power into tubo laser cannons, to comport with the rules of the Star Trek universe, where such lasers might be unrealistic. That's why Star Wars always wins...it's fantasy, and anything can happen. Can an X-Wing take down the Borg? Hells yeah, if it's piloted by a young farm boy learning the ways of the Force!
Add to that the swashbucklers vs. pussies issue which you continue to ignore, and it's an end game checkmate for Star Wars.
The Force rulezzz!
I didn't ignore it, I said that your view of the characters doesn't mean that they'd just sit there in a fight. Star Wars characters are more dashing in their roles, but that's because the future of Star Trek is more controlled and composed. Humanity has become a much more enlightened race than we are used to. If trying peaceful and diplomatic alternatives instead of running into a fight is a "pussy" move then hey, I guess I'm one too. By that definition it would also make you one, Ryan, since I haven't heard of you being disbarred or anything for getting into fist fights in the courtroom. When it came down to a land fight then it would get interesting. Sure, wookies are all big and strong, but it would only take a phaser to stop one dead in its tracks. It would be fun for wookies and klingons to fight hand to hand, but even if it took ab average of a couple hundred klingons to take down a single wookie the klingons would still win. Wookies inhabit a single planet whereas klingons possess an entire region of space where their population has soared.
You can't just step back and say Star Wars is fantasy so it can't be compared to Star Trek. Is Star Trek reality Ryan? Is that why they can't be compared?
The force is great. But if we're talking about the actual content of filmed Star Wars and not the extended universe (something I'm pretty sure you disregard) then how many people are even able to use the force? 4? 5? Oh wait, by the end of Jedi 2 of them die. So are we at 2 living people that can use the force? Luke and Leia. And you can't even begin to consider Leia as being competent to do anything with that force.
I think that the federation would team up with the new republic and that would be the end of that shit. I could also see Han and Riker having some beers, and Cptn Picard and Mon Mothma hooking up.
I'm not saying that Star Wars' fantastic elements can't be compared to Star Trek's science fiction, I'm saying that due to the boundless possibilities of Star Wars' fantasy universe (e.g., unfathomably powerful turbo lasers), Star Wars always wins.
A race of Klingons invading Kashyyyk? Okay, I'll see you that and raise you an infinite army of Kaminoan Clones. The Borg come and assimilate the Clones? Fine. The Death Star zaps whatever celestial body (cube or otherwise), that the Borgified Clones inhabit with the super laser.
And that's just the movie stuff. Open the door to Star Wars Expanded Universe, and it's filled with so much off the wall crap that Star Trek doesn't have a prayer. Sisko pulls a phaser? Kyp Duron pulls a vibro-phaser while Darth Revan uses the Force to restart existence without any damn Borg.
Star Trek always fails because it is constrained by the self-imposed limits of its fictional universe (indeed, one could argue that the anti-normative character Q himself consistently highlights these limitations). In Star Wars, where an annoying brat like Anakin can evolve into the most fearsome character in the galaxy, anything's possible.
So when you get right down to it, it's not about the tech, it's not about the weapons, it's not about the characters, it's not about the metaphysical powers. It's about the boundaries. Star Trek has 'em; Star Wars don't. So Star Wars wins.
Oh Ryan, that makes no sense. Boundless possibilities? How can you be possibly base an argument on the lack of boundaries in regards to what could happen? Each of the examples you listed is not limited to your view of the fantastic elements of Star Wars. Each of them has been explored, and explained, in a science fiction alternate.
What I am taking from your new angle is that you think just because Star Wars doesn’t bother identifying why something works the way it could that it wins. In other words, due to lack of reasoning contained within the Star Wars universe, you are reasoning that it is better.
Just because science fiction is typically associated with an explanation of a particular technology doesn’t mean it can’t come up with any technology. The creator can just devise any explanation they want to. So if we apply your argument to a broad range of science fiction (Star Trek included) your boundless possibilities have just been pushed into the background.
As an example let’s look at the single greatest object or concept I have come across in fantasy or science fiction that is the least likely thing to ever happen. I would believe the Force was real before believing this: a Dyson’s Sphere. For those that are not aware of this, let’s review. A Dyson’s Sphere is a construct around a star that is the size of Earth’s orbit. Not the size of Earth, not the size of the sun, but the size of Earth’s orbit around the sun.
Let that sink in a bit. Do you have any idea how large that is? Take into account also that this is not a ring or something, it’s a sphere. Completely encompassing the sun. The amount of resources required to construct such a thing is absolutely mind-boggling, let alone maintaining it. Here we have the most fantastical and least likely thing to obtain, in science fiction, explained as far as it needs to be. Does that fact make it more possible and therefore with less potential than a clone army or any other thing you can think of from Star Wars?
These boundaries you associate with Star Trek don’t exist in the way you’re applying. And even if they did, they apply to Star Wars as well. The Force was explained just as it would have been in any other universe. The only real difference in regards to theses two universes is that in Star Trek they try to make it rational. Star Wars doesn’t. Rationality is not a boundary. It’s a courtesy to the people watching it. They can still make up anything they want to.
Whatever Neal. Yoda keeps a Dyson's Sphere in his pocket.
And based on what we've been discussing here all this time all you need is that basic phrase. Yoda keeps it in his pocket and the fantastic nature of that alone fills your mind with content. However, I would prefer it if you at least followed that up by saying something like "He found a mysterious device from a long lost civilization and used it to alter the Dyson Sphere's physical properties and decreased the size of the Sphere without diminishing its ability to withstand the shock of being moved so much."
We are two very different people Ryan.
Are you saying we're different from one another because I'm so right about Star Wars and you're so wrong about Star Trek? Or are you saying that the two of us are different compared to regular people who really don't give that much of a shit about Star Wars and Star Trek, which would mean that, in that way, we're actually similar to one another?
Either way, I'm just jerking you around.
Now go build a model Enterprise you nerd.
Yeah. I know. That's what's so odd about us Ryan. We're very similar in the way we like to argue the menial and mundane, but we just sit on opposite sides of the same nerd spectrum.
I wonder what it would be like if we argued something that really mattered. (Not that nerd things don't matter. I mean, the philosophy and moral implications of Batman and Superman's can teach us a lot about the nature of humanity and our inner desires and perspectives on ourselves (seriously, I really think that.))
And I don't make little models of the Enterprise. They're all cheap plastic. If only I had the Legos necessary to construct a model of my own... and the structural reasoning and imagination to put it together....
Wow. Did that seriously just happen?!
You bet it happened. I think this post needs to be engraved in a bronze statue dubbed "The Eternal Struggle" and depicting Zeus fighting a kitten of immeasurable cuteness.
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